Offline maps and routing

I’ve been trying to find the current capabilities of offline maps and routing. I’ve downloaded offline maps but navigation using the app still seems to require an internet connection. Is there a summary anywhere of offline capabilities?

2nd question, how do I delete offline maps. I downloaded some maps I no longer need - can’t seems to find a way to delete them. Any tips?

Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

@Berin

Download the manual via the support page on the website

Or from this website: https://mranavigationnext.app/manuals/

RetiredWingMan

@Berin you really do need to review the manuals. The questions you are asking are very basic. To fully use offline you need to: 1. Downloads maps for the region(s). 2. Download the route(s). 3. Set offline opperation / navigation in the options. 4. Start your route navigation from the Downloads folder.

Yes, you can delete maps, use the X beside downloaded maps.

Enjoy!

@Doug-Robinson
Thanks Doug. The app is really not very intuitive, and it seems the offline navigation isn’t really offline navigation if it will only run a pre calculated route, and only then if started from the download folder.

Why would I read a manual? If I have to read a manual to do something very basic then there’s an issue with the app. Especially if it’s for something like offline navigation which I would use only if I couldn’t use online navigation.

Some different thinking form the devs needed here, maybe.

RetiredWingMan

@Berin if you want to learn everything about the features and capabilities of the app then you need to read the manual. Or perhaps it's just easier to keep posting questions on the forum.

Con Hennekens

@Berin, on the contrary, the app is VERY intuitive. Even intuitive software has a certain learning curve, especially if you previously used another tool for the same thing. I did not read the manual either, and I think it is VERY intuitive

The app makes perfect sense if you understand what it is doing. What it is doing is probably a bit different from what you are used to. Downloading offline maps is not the only thing needed to navigate completely offline. Offline maps are there mainly to prevent bandwidth usage while navigating. And of course offline maps are obligatory for offline navigating. Offline navigation is enabled in the settings: Navigation settings - Functional.

Pay attention also to the setting at the arrow. This one automatically makes available for offline usage all previously chosen routes. You only need to enter the download folder if at the time of choosing a route, you have no internet connection. The folder-view you see when tapping the Routes button in the main menu is a view into your online routes library. It is not so strange that it is not available when not having an internet connection. If you compare this to downloading routes to a Zumo or Rider, it is pretty much the same thing. With the added benefit of not having to do that at all, if your phone is connected to the internet. See? Pretty intuitive

paul69

hi all,

just my two penneth,
I only ever use offline navigation, and currently use an oukitel rugged tablet mounted on bike, so obviously android OS.
i am a beta tester and have been for many months, initially iOS but now android due to the tablet.

what i have noticed is, if my tablet battery runs empty, i.e. not used it for a few days and I then have to charge it, when turned on it will not run in offline mode immediately. I use addresses that are in my favourites to test this.
every time i must connect to wifi, for a few seconds and then place next back in offline mode, all then works as it should.

this leads me to believe that when the app completely shuts down it needs an internet connection following reboot, this could be a problem with tablet or other outside factors, but i write it here in hope it may help someone out.

this is also not a concern to me as i now know what i need to do, periodically I shut down the tablet completely, which gives the same result.
hope it's of some use to somebody

Jörgen

@paul69 said in Offline maps and routing:

hi all,

just my two penneth,
I only ever use offline navigation, and currently use an oukitel rugged tablet mounted on bike, so obviously android OS.
i am a beta tester and have been for many months, initially iOS but now android due to the tablet.

what i have noticed is, if my tablet battery runs empty, i.e. not used it for a few days and I then have to charge it, when turned on it will not run in offline mode immediately. I use addresses that are in my favourites to test this.
every time i must connect to wifi, for a few seconds and then place next back in offline mode, all then works as it should.

this leads me to believe that when the app completely shuts down it needs an internet connection following reboot, this could be a problem with tablet or other outside factors, but i write it here in hope it may help someone out.

this is also not a concern to me as i now know what i need to do, periodically I shut down the tablet completely, which gives the same result.
hope it's of some use to somebody

Interessing point! I use also an Oukitel tablet and I have not noticed that, because when the battery was empty I always was in my home wlan.
It could be an issue in an "no internet" region.

paul69

hi @Jörgen
this wasn't a complaint, and only intended as info for other users who may have a similar issue.

i don't let the battery run down when it's on the bike, i have a usb lead attached. when in sleep mode this issue never happens.

the tablet is at home when the battery runs out, if left for 2-3 days of no use.
I have wifi at home, it is with this i carry out updates etc. I do not use a sim card, hence the offline navigation.
When i charge it up and start the app, it opens up in offline mode as that is how i have it set up.

as explained above, it always needs to have wifi enabled after reboot.

Jörgen

@paul69 said in Offline maps and routing:

complaint

Don´t worry, I understand this as Info only.

@Con-Hennekens

Thanks for that. So, in summary, to navigate offline, while online;
Download maps
Set routing to offline
Set routes to be available offline

I’ve tried that with. The phone set to airplane mode and everything worked fine, including poi searches like petrol stations!

Con Hennekens

@Berin said in Offline maps and routing:

Thanks for that. So, in summary, to navigate offline, while online;
Download maps
Set routing to offline
Set routes to be available offline

I’ve tried that with. The phone set to airplane mode and everything worked fine, including poi searches like petrol stations!

You are welcome, glad it worked out.

@paul69 said in Offline maps and routing:

as explained above, it always needs to have wifi enabled after reboot.

Hmm, I am thinking after a reboot perhaps the app needs to re-validate your account info...

paul69

hi @Con-Hennekens said in Offline maps and routing:

Hmm, I am thinking after a reboot perhaps the app needs to re-validate your account info...

I have never actually made any tests of this, it just happens. I did not think it was an issue, i just presumed it was normal, and everyone had to do it.
I will carry this task out a number of times using different methods, with online, offline, airplane mode and any other way i can think of and report my findings

Dikke Wim

I'm wondering: is the satellite view also downloaded when downloading a map for off-line use, or is it only the HERE map?

Bouke Ent

ik weet dat dit misschien niet direct te maken heeft met dit topic. ik begrijp dat focus van MRA is offline is geheel offline. ik heb dit in italie aantal keren gedaan en dan kreeg ik in 50% van de gevallen route is niet te bereken. er zijn inmiddels updates geweest dus misschien werkt het nu wel. ik begrijp alleen niet de keuze volledig offline. in mijn oude kurviger v1 app kan ik gewoon kiezen kaarten offline gebruiken en routing offline gebruiken. zou dit niet een betere keuze zijn om deze 2 te scheiden dan kan je in hotel met wifi route starten en met offline kaarten rijden. mocht je onderweg even geen internet hebben dan gaat alles wel door.

Con Hennekens

@Dikke-Wim said in Offline maps and routing:

I'm wondering: is the satellite view also downloaded when downloading a map for off-line use, or is it only the HERE map?

Goeie vraag... Gebruik jij die daadwerkelijk voor het navigeren? In eerste instantie zou ik denken van niet, want het betreft een kaartlaag. Als je ine vliegtuigmodus een route start met de sateliet-laag aan, zie ik in eerste instantie wèl de satelliet kaart, waarschijnlijk vanuit de eerder gedwonloade cache. Echter als je gaat scrollen kom je in gebieden waar de kaart heel pixelig wordt. Ik denk dat dat een soort basis-kaart betreft, maar die is niet bruikbaar voor navigatie. Voor de route maakt dat verder niet uit, (die calculeert op de gewone kaart) maar de omgeving wordt wel onherkenbaar op het scherm.

@Bouke-Ent said in Offline maps and routing:

ik begrijp alleen niet de keuze volledig offline. in mijn oude kurviger v1 app kan ik gewoon kiezen kaarten offline gebruiken en routing offline gebruiken. zou dit niet een betere keuze zijn om deze 2 te scheiden dan kan je in hotel met wifi route starten en met offline kaarten rijden.

Volgens mij is dat al precies wat we doen, toch? De optie "offline navigeren" doet precies wat Kurviger doet met "routing offline gebruiken". De Kurviger optie "Kaarten offline gebruiken" hebben we niet nodig, want dat doet MRA al vanzelf zodra de kaarten offline beschikbaar zijn. Het lijkt me vreemd dat je zou kiezen voor online kaarten als je ze al offline gedownload hebt.

paul69

good morning @Con-Hennekens

I told you I would report my findings following tests.
it would appear I was mistaken, although the anomaly I reported had happened a number of times, perhaps it was bug within my tablet.

my tablet had no internet connection, wifi or otherwise during these tests. this is to imagine I was in the middle of nowhere with no connection.

tests as follows;
airplane mode and offline nav enabled>power off>power on>choose favourite destination>could not navigate route>10 seconds later>navigation possible.
and the ability to search for an address and navigate to that address i.e. A-B route.
also possible to load and navigate a downloaded route including the ability to continue from a different waypoint other than the start point.

airplane mode>offline navigation disabled>power off>power on> choose different favourite>short delay>navigation possible.
point to note, offline navigation had enabled automatically.

@Con you are probably aware of the above, but maybe this will help others understand the offline nav and no internet problem.

this is why I always use offline navigation and my tablet in airplane mode, this also helps battery life.
TBF I don't need traffic reports when on my motorbike, it would be different if I was in my campervan of course.

Con Hennekens

@paul69, thanks, I am glad it worked out.

paul69

@Con-Hennekens

I believe, for me and in my experience, the best way is to always use navigation with the device in airplane mode, this was the same when using my iPhone, this prevents all the problems with internet connection being lost or intermittent.

Personally. I have not yet found a reason for the need to have an internet connection while navigating a route, pre-planned or otherwise.

Caveat, providing you have previously downloaded all the routes you had planned for the tour, which is a must, as I learned the hard way.

Bouke Ent

@Con-Hennekens hoe gaat offline dan om als je een regio niet gedownload hebt ? bv je hebt nederland gedownload en die zou hij dus offline pakken maar je rij belgie in pakt hij dan wel de online ? in kurviger krijg je dan al te voren melding route is niet mogelijk en op je scherm zie je geen kaart. bij kurviger v1 als je dan geheel offline ging had je optie om brouter te gebruiken maar dan moest je ook dekking hebben. ik zelf download altijd geheel mijn regio's en ik begrijp dus nu dat hij automatisch die pakt en dat scheelt al een deel van je data. hopelijk gaat offline route berekening komend jaar wel goed maar dat is afwachten.