UPDATE: SOLVED // MR doesn't recognise a specific (short) road which I did ride (in Belgium)
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@Nick-Carthew I did put a route point as close as possible to the 'obstruction' so the straight line is even barely noticeable.
I do hope my kilometer count is correct, but I will test it with another detour elsewhere. Just to be sure I'm not too far off with the 'skip'.@Trui-Hanoulle Are you using the ‘Compare With) tool from the toolkit? I downloaded your route (before you had adjusted it). I opened it on the Here map and turned on the Compare with TomTom tool. I noticed that there was some discrepancies between The Here track (black line) and TomTom track (red line). If you are sharing the route to other users, some will use Garmin and some will use TomTom devices. Always make the route equal so that all users will follow the same track.
Always willing to help if I can.
Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
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@Trui-Hanoulle Are you using the ‘Compare With) tool from the toolkit? I downloaded your route (before you had adjusted it). I opened it on the Here map and turned on the Compare with TomTom tool. I noticed that there was some discrepancies between The Here track (black line) and TomTom track (red line). If you are sharing the route to other users, some will use Garmin and some will use TomTom devices. Always make the route equal so that all users will follow the same track.
The route point numbers will be different now after your adjustments. But you can see some of the discrepancies.
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@Nick-Carthew I did put a route point as close as possible to the 'obstruction' so the straight line is even barely noticeable.
I do hope my kilometer count is correct, but I will test it with another detour elsewhere. Just to be sure I'm not too far off with the 'skip'.@Trui-Hanoulle This discrepancy is caused because the route point is too close to the junction. Make sure to place route points away from junctions, roundabouts and bridges. Also, fully zoom into each one to check the accuracy of its position. In this example, TomTom riders will be directed left and then told to turn around again.
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@Trui-Hanoulle Are you using the ‘Compare With) tool from the toolkit? I downloaded your route (before you had adjusted it). I opened it on the Here map and turned on the Compare with TomTom tool. I noticed that there was some discrepancies between The Here track (black line) and TomTom track (red line). If you are sharing the route to other users, some will use Garmin and some will use TomTom devices. Always make the route equal so that all users will follow the same track.
@Nick-Carthew yeah, Nick, I know...
I'm also the boss of the women's motorcycle club WIMA-Belgium. Any organiser of a ride, shares her gps-files as a TRACK, not as a route. We all have different devises and we've had so much confusion in the past. Track is for us the way to go. Some do convert it into a route on the device they use, but I (on Montana 600 with open source maps) follow the track.
As for the magazine :
— I share route + track with the people of the magazine, as to my knowledge I can not just export a track (which I would prefer)
— they then upload this into RouteYou with whom they have a partnership
— in the end, for this article in 2 parts about the tiny routes of the Belgian borders, the result is sadly rough, whereas I make it very very detailed and correct. (corrections after ridden route for 10 days)Oh well...
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@Nick-Carthew yeah, Nick, I know...
I'm also the boss of the women's motorcycle club WIMA-Belgium. Any organiser of a ride, shares her gps-files as a TRACK, not as a route. We all have different devises and we've had so much confusion in the past. Track is for us the way to go. Some do convert it into a route on the device they use, but I (on Montana 600 with open source maps) follow the track.
As for the magazine :
— I share route + track with the people of the magazine, as to my knowledge I can not just export a track (which I would prefer)
— they then upload this into RouteYou with whom they have a partnership
— in the end, for this article in 2 parts about the tiny routes of the Belgian borders, the result is sadly rough, whereas I make it very very detailed and correct. (corrections after ridden route for 10 days)Oh well...
@Trui-Hanoulle The great thing about the Compare With tool is that it will not cause confusion or problems with different devices. If you want, I can look at your finished route before you publish it.
All of the routes that are added to the RouteXpert Library are checked this way, guaranteeing that all users will travel the same route.Always willing to help if I can.
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@StefanHummelink okay, logical. Thank you for this information.
So this 'unclosable street' would be either a wrongful update by TomTom/OSM/Garmin OR Google Maps is wrong.
wondering*@Trui-Hanoulle Don't know the exact problem in practice, but either of the two does not have the latest actual road environment of that specific location:).
Manks bu'j te bange.
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@Trui-Hanoulle Don't know the exact problem in practice, but either of the two does not have the latest actual road environment of that specific location:).
@StefanHummelink yep, I think that must be the cause :)))
Oh well, road blocks sometimes lead to new adventures, hihi.. -
@Trui-Hanoulle The great thing about the Compare With tool is that it will not cause confusion or problems with different devices. If you want, I can look at your finished route before you publish it.
All of the routes that are added to the RouteXpert Library are checked this way, guaranteeing that all users will travel the same route.@Nick-Carthew I didn't know about this 'compare with' tool but will definitely check it out, thank you for your great help!
It would be great to know if this one route which I finalised now (properly zoomed in and placed turns as should) is top notch. Would you mind having a look at it?
same link : https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/35118435 more day routes to go, but if I know about this one already, then I know where to alter if needed. THANK you !
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@Nick-Carthew I didn't know about this 'compare with' tool but will definitely check it out, thank you for your great help!
It would be great to know if this one route which I finalised now (properly zoomed in and placed turns as should) is top notch. Would you mind having a look at it?
same link : https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/35118435 more day routes to go, but if I know about this one already, then I know where to alter if needed. THANK you !
@Trui-Hanoulle No problem. I have downloaded the route so you can change the privacy now. I will look at it in the morning when I switch my PC on and then give you some feedback.
Always willing to help if I can.
Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now) -
@Trui-Hanoulle No problem. I have downloaded the route so you can change the privacy now. I will look at it in the morning when I switch my PC on and then give you some feedback.
@Nick-Carthew great !
just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public) -
@Nick-Carthew great !
just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)@Trui-Hanoulle I generally find the TomTom map to be more accurate so if there is a discrepancy, I tend towards trusting the TT.
I will look in the morning and give you complete feedback and maybe some tips for getting the best out of all the tools. -
@Nick-Carthew great !
just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)Hi @Trui-Hanoulle I have overlaid your track (yellow) by selecting 'Routes' in the left column and then 'Add'. I have the Compare With TomTom and Garmin tool turned on. TT is red and Garmin is green. There are several places where TT and Garmin disagree with your black route and yellow track. If you were to share this route to other users as it is, TT and Garmin users will have problems. Some of the discrepancies are caused because you have chosen to go off road. There are solutions that will enable ALL users to follow your intended route. Some solutions are an easy fix and just require moving a route point and some are a little more complicated. See my next pictures.
Always willing to help if I can.
Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now) -
@Nick-Carthew great !
just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)@Trui-Hanoulle This is an easy fix:
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@Nick-Carthew great !
just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)@Trui-Hanoulle Some fixes involve a little more work and an understanding of how certain functions work.
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@Nick-Carthew great !
just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)@Trui-Hanoulle TomTom won't use this road as there are restrictions to motor vehicles:
Always willing to help if I can.
Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now) -
@Nick-Carthew great !
just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)@Trui-Hanoulle If you would like any further help, please ask. I can even adjust your route for you if you would prefer that. Good luck and keep enjoying making routes
Always willing to help if I can.
Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now) -
@Trui-Hanoulle TomTom won't use this road as there are restrictions to motor vehicles:
@Nick-Carthew you caught me, haha ! I didn't remember that I ignored this sign indeed ;))) And I shouldn't promote illegal riding, obviously.
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Hi @Trui-Hanoulle I have overlaid your track (yellow) by selecting 'Routes' in the left column and then 'Add'. I have the Compare With TomTom and Garmin tool turned on. TT is red and Garmin is green. There are several places where TT and Garmin disagree with your black route and yellow track. If you were to share this route to other users as it is, TT and Garmin users will have problems. Some of the discrepancies are caused because you have chosen to go off road. There are solutions that will enable ALL users to follow your intended route. Some solutions are an easy fix and just require moving a route point and some are a little more complicated. See my next pictures.
@Nick-Carthew As for the offroad, this has been a choice and is written as such in the article. I go offroad wherever possible (which is not very often alas in Belgium).
This very image (starting point): I noticed differences indeed + I rode into Lux for fuel (yellow line) but do not want to add that to the route — that's everybody's own choice.
I fixed that one immediately, and will fix the other places too, especially the one with the sign, ha. -
@Trui-Hanoulle If you would like any further help, please ask. I can even adjust your route for you if you would prefer that. Good luck and keep enjoying making routes
@Nick-Carthew Thank you so much for your offer and very good help.
I will change it myself, no worries.
I also modified my own track (yellow) for the final route. In one part I skipped an interesting option to stay closer to the border, in another I added specific waypoints (on the Vennbahn which is a train track still belonging to Belgium...!).Readers do download the gps-files but they are not Americans who would sue the magazine / me for having a mistake somewhere. On the other hand, of course I try to make it as accurate as possible.
THANK you and YESSSS, you bet I enjoy making routes ! But enjoy even more riding them ! Next article up is the Iron Curtain and Italian Northeastern mountains, which I rode afterwards. For Germany I prepared also like mad on MR, for Italy I used old school maps. Both I tracked what I rode for the 2 articles.
I'm a maps freak actually, still taking those along and a compass and altimeter even, hihi.Have a GOOD 2021 and 'talk' to you later, Nick !
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@Nick-Carthew Thank you so much for your offer and very good help.
I will change it myself, no worries.
I also modified my own track (yellow) for the final route. In one part I skipped an interesting option to stay closer to the border, in another I added specific waypoints (on the Vennbahn which is a train track still belonging to Belgium...!).Readers do download the gps-files but they are not Americans who would sue the magazine / me for having a mistake somewhere. On the other hand, of course I try to make it as accurate as possible.
THANK you and YESSSS, you bet I enjoy making routes ! But enjoy even more riding them ! Next article up is the Iron Curtain and Italian Northeastern mountains, which I rode afterwards. For Germany I prepared also like mad on MR, for Italy I used old school maps. Both I tracked what I rode for the 2 articles.
I'm a maps freak actually, still taking those along and a compass and altimeter even, hihi.Have a GOOD 2021 and 'talk' to you later, Nick !
Trui Hanoulle@Trui-Hanoulle Good luck with your magazine article, I hope you get lots of positive feedback. Let’s hope that we can enjoy lots of rides in 2021.
